Wednesday, May 4, 2011

Debunking the Birthers: Scanning a Certificate, Birth or Otherwise

As I've said here in the past, I'm sympathetic to conspiracy theorists, because I was briefly taken in by one: the 9/11 truthers. I exited out the other side with some swiftness, when things got a little too crazy to process. I still have problems with the "official" story, but have far more with most truther theories. It became clear to me that any contrary information to the truther story would be explained away, or somehow folded into the storyline. There is nothing that will dissuade them.

This is my reimaging of Obama's COLB. Have at it, Birthers!
Such it is with the birthers. When Barack Obama released a scan--repeat: a scan--of an authenticated "long form" birth certificate from the State of Hawaii, the birther brigade went into high gear. Starting with one of their biggest flaws in understanding--that an internet-ready file is the document, rather than a scan of it--they went over the White House's PDF file with a fine-toothed comb. And within minutes, there was a new addition to the birther catalogue: The birth certificate has LAYERS!

Like any good conspiracy theory, there are a few nuggets that grab you. Hey, there are layers! I downloaded my own version, opened it in Adobe Illustrator, and--I'll be damned--the document was made of many incongruous layers.  You could remove "clipping paths", ungroup it, and it was actually made of nine different parts! Why, this must be a forgery! FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! But wait a minute. . .

Why on earth would a forger do this? For what purpose would you separate out the background (but leave white holes where the letters were)? Why would you break up the word "BARACK" to "BA ACK" and a lonely "R"? You wouldn't, that's what. A forger would make a fake document, not a fake scan. The idiots. . .ahem. . .ignoramuses believing this theory don't think far enough out to realize that the document they are looking at is not an original, but merely a digitization of the original. If there are any fake elements of the document, they would not be discoverable in the PDF file.

But can I prove it? I believe I can. But I had to tread into semi-unfamiliar territory to do so. The only PDF scanning software I have is on my Mac PowerBook. And the only official document on safety paper I could locate easily is my Certificate of Marriage (my gay marriage, birthers!) from California. So, I set it up, scanned the document, and saved it. Here is what I found:

This is a reduced image of the scan of the entire document.
(I reduced the resolution so you vultures can't read it!)
I scanned the entire document in high resolution into Adobe Acrobat Professional. I set everything to "automatic," and scanned it in. After saving the file, I opened Adobe Illustrator CS3, and opened my saved PDF. Immediately when it opened, I saw the document assemble itself!

After some right-clicking to "release clipping masks" and some ungrouping, I was left with four distinct layers. This is short of the nine from the Obama birth certificate, but I didn't even change any of the automatic settings. There are many options you can tweak. Also, my certificate has a very elaborate, different background and border, which may have affected my results.

But I think I've proven the point that yes, a scan of an official document does separate into layers when you scan it. They aren't predictable layers either. There were two very small bands of the border at the bottom of the image that separated themselves out for no particular reason. I didn't retouch, sharpen, blur, enhance or otherwise make any changes. The low resolution image at the right is merely a screen capture of my zoomed out screen, so that it can't be read (do you really need to know my business? No, you do not!).

This is the full scan of the corner of the document. Then, I ungrouped it. . .

Now, it should be noted that the most current birther theory about these scans is that there are duplicate letters in the document. Namely, they found two "E"s or two "1"s or two check boxes that look identical in different areas of the scan. Does that seem hinky? Maybe. Could I recreate it if I fiddled with enough settings, and ran enough tests? Maybe. Probably. Don't know, don't care.


Looky there! I can delete the foreground! But notice, some artifacts
are left that are not part of the background image.

The reason I don't care is that there would be no reason to make a forgery that way. I already explained that the forgery would be on the paper document and not the scan, which should be obvious. But if a digital scammer was going to fake the form, why on earth would he need to assemble his forgery from a bunch of tiny scanned elements? If that was all you had to work with, I'd get it. But it isn't. Barack Obama has the most awesome governmental apparatus in the entire world at his disposal. He could order up a document so perfect, so flawless, that its authenticity could bear the strongest of scrutiny. To assume that all they had to work with was low-res scans of little check boxes, and they had to duplicate them to complete their ruse is, in a word, stupid.


This is what happens when you delete the background. Look at all the
random elements that were part of the background, but are on a layer with
the text. Did I forge my marriage certificate?

All of this ultimately leads to the conclusion that no matter what is offered up, or what points of logic are used, the birthers will never be satisfied. There will be a (smaller and smaller) group of them who will continue to believe that their conspiracy theory is true. And the same goes for the brand new "deathers" who are convinced that Osama Bin Laden is still alive, or was not killed this weekend. The release of authentic photos of the corpse would do nothing to change their minds. You'd just have 100 threads on FreeRepublic dissecting the photo. Excuse me, dissecting a low-res JPEG of the photo.

I cannot with this test declare the Obama birth certificate to be genuine. But I can definitively declare that there is no obvious reason to believe that it is not, nor does the "layers" argument hold any water whatsoever.  When some FReeper tells you that a scan cannot produce such a result, they are either lying, or they are wrong.

A NOTE TO MY READERS: If you venture into the comments section below, be warned that a troll who is too cowardly to leave his/her name has infested the blog.  But he/she/it unwittingly proved a point. This troll is fixated upon the signature of Obama's mother, and how the software separated it into pieces. A similar thing happened to some of the lines and graphic elements in the document I scanned. So, while "Anonymous" is still focused like a psychotic laser beam on the signature!!!, I on the other hand am completely satisfied that the document offered online by the White House could indeed be produced by scanning a real document into a PDF software program. No hanky panky.

"Anonymous" has copious links to YouTube videos that "support" the forgery conspiracy theory, but don't fall for it. Anyone can produce and upload a YouTube video, as I found out with my new phone this weekend, when I almost accidentally uploaded an action shot of the floor of the house I was staying in. And if you get sucked in by the "facts" presented by these loons, please ask yourself what would motivate a forgery artist to use a low-res PDF scan to fool the public. The storyline hasn't even been articulated, because there is no scenario that would make any sense. And this is my final word on the subject. I think.

71 comments:

  1. Good post.
    Can you explain the Certificate Number (last digit) and the Mother's Signature? Different fonts within each.

    You can see this yourself, simply by looking at the Whitehouse official document and zooming in:
    whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

    See this video for details:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGguEsd3Xnw

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  2. It looks like the video I referenced has been taken down.
    The first issue is that the last digit of the certificate number is different than the rest of the digits.
    And in the parent's signature box the "unham Obama" part is clearly different than the beginning letters.

    This video shows how those effects can be created manually.

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  3. And here is the link:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii9WKrI1LeI

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  4. Anonymous, there is NO NEED to explain the difference. It is likely just a product of how the object was scanned, what check boxes were checked in the software, the clarity of the document. IT DOES NOT MATTER. Assembling a digital document out of individual letters and number MAKES NO SENSE.

    Do you understand that the document you are ZOOMING IN on is NOT the original document? Did you follow what I said at all?

    You are completely down the rabbit hole.

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  5. James, why do you feel the need to immediately begin insulting me?
    I am raising a legitimate issue that is different than the one you raised in your article.
    Do you see that the last digit of the cert number is different than the other digits?
    Do you see that the "unham Obama" is different than the beginning letters?

    Did you see in the video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii9WKrI1LeI
    how for example the "unham Obama" part could have been drawn on the computer? That would explain how it is so different than the beginning letters.

    Is it possible to look at this subject objectively?

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  6. Where did I insult you? You ARE down a rabbit hole. That just means you're in too deep. The things you are trying to discover make no difference. This document was not "assembled." There would be no reason to do so. For what possible purpose whould the word "Dunham" be split in two when the document was created? What is gained? This document exists in hard copy form. The scan you are zooming in on is a scan of a physical document. They passed copies--not generated from this online document, but from the original--out to the press!

    If you are not down a rabbit hole, what on earth are you looking for?

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  7. We both know that it is a scan of a physical document.
    The "unham Obama" part is clearly different than the first letters. Do you see that?
    They come from different sources. Whoever generated this scan took the first letters from some source and the "unham Obama" part from a different source.

    We can discuss why they did that in a moment, but do you acknowledge that they came from different sources?

    Is it possible to discuss this objectively?

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  8. What makes you think they come from different sources? I don't know why you think that. I understand that they were treated by the software differently. The scan broke them into different elements. That's all.

    How could they come from different sources if they were scanned from one document?

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  9. I just looked at the actual PDF. The "D" in Dunham is a little bit lighter than the rest of the word. I do not find this unsettling or unusual. It was signed in 1961, it was probably archived for a while. It was at some point bound into a book, or a copy of it was. It was at some point digitized. By the time we get to the duplicate made for Obama by the State of Hawaii, we could be on a fourth or fifth generation of a document created 50 years ago.

    And then it was scanned and broken into pieces by a PDF scan. Is it so inconceivable that Stanley Ann just didn't press as hard when she wrote the first letter? Or that the document is inconsistant because of how it has been handled and duplicated over the years?

    What I just took you through is sort of a forensic approach. Deductive reasoning. All of the things I mentioned are much, much more likely, than some forgery made by moving around little tiny, low-res elements in a computer.

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  10. The scan breaks things into different elements. Your opening article is quite right about that.
    But it does not break things into different elements if the elements are the same font.
    Take a look at the signature directly below the parents signature. It is the signature of the attendant and all the letters are the same type of font. They are are not broken into different pieces.
    But we see that the mom's signature is made of two completely different kinds of font.
    They come from different sources.
    Whoever assembled the document took them from different sources.

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  11. Also here is a good reference:
    http://www.henrymakow.com/birth_certificate_pixels_dont.html

    The pixel sizes of the "unham Obama" are different than the pixel sizes of the "Ann D" part.

    They come from different sources.

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  12. I completely disagree with your assessment. I'll give you another example. The "R" in BARACK is broken out seperately from the rest of the word. This is NOT because it is assembled, it is because the letter wasn't typed as firmly, and is slightly lighter. This happened with typewriters all the time.

    The "D" in Dunham is just as likely to not have been written with as firm a hand. Big deal.

    The pixel sizes are irrelevent, if the scanning software thought the item was different.

    All of these inconsistancies point to decisions being made by the hardware and software. None of them make a lick of sense for a forger to make.

    Please, do explain how a) these inconsistancies ended up in the scan, if they were originally made on the physical document; and b) for what possible purpose this thing would have been assembled out of tiny, low-res elements. Logic please.

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  13. You have mentioned twice about the "D".
    Please acknowledge that it is not just the "D" but also the "Ann".
    All the letters before the "unham Obama" are of one font and the "unham Obama" is different.

    Right?

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  14. Sigh. Different FONT? It's a signature. Unless you're talking about the typed part, and no, it does not look like a different font.

    Are you really getting picky about how a woman signed her name? You'd really have issues with my capital "G" in my own signature then.

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  15. Given that the "unham Obama" is from a different source, the interesting question is why?
    Why did the person who assembled this, cut the "Ann D" from an actual signature and then fill in the rest (the "unham Obama") from a different source?

    Here is a reference that will be helpful:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ms1Cwq4HKIQ/Tbr_0NVsWkI/AAAAAAAAFUY/nckfmg943WU/s1600/sign_html_m49e27487.jpg

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  16. No sale. I just looked at my driver's license, and my gym card, both with signatures. The "James" match nearly perfectly, and the last name reads "Gr..nl.." on one, and "Gre..le.." on the other. I'm not buying it, and you haven't explained why on earth they'd need to do this. THEY HAVE HER SIGNATURE ON FILE. Why would they need to create one out of different parts? There is no logic to your theory.

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  17. You are asking - "Why would they need to create one out of different parts"?
    That is an interesting question and I have been wondering that myself.
    The first obvious point is that whatever followed the "D", they did not want that part. They replaced it.
    What do you think might have followed the "D" in the original, that they wanted to remove it and replace it with "unham Obama".

    This is a very interesting detective job.

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  18. When this documents came out, skeptics responded: "It has layers! It's a FAKE!"

    I proved to myself--with little effort--that a scan of a document on safety paper INEED produces a result very much like the one on the White House page. The layers themselves are NOT suspicious.

    Also in my scan, there were elements of type that did not separate cleanly. I didn't get as many layers, but I have no idea how the White House's scanning software was set up.

    I have no doubt that the result achieved could be achieved if I tweaked the settings. I have no need to do this, because I am satisfied with my result.

    I repeat my original assessment: you are down a rabbit hole. There is no plausible reason for this document to be "assembled" in the PDF when we KNOW it was scanned from a physical document. We KNOW that the physical document has been vouched for by the State of Hawaii.

    Investigating down to the pixel a SCAN--not the original--is absolutely pointless, and really has proven nothing except the DESPERATION that birthers have to stick to their conspiracy.

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  19. Wow, Anonymous... I gotta ask what your level of expertise is when it comes to Forensic Science. Is your expertise in handwriting forensics & document forensics? How many of these discoveries did you make on your own?

    I think you (and a bunch of other birthers) have seen too many CSI shows coupled with doses of Freepers & Faux Newz.

    At least our Dear Editor is a graphic artist... and has been for decades. Which requires he utilize scanners, graphic software & instruments used for production. It is his every day job. I can attest to that.

    I feel you are repeating what you have read (since you provide links to what other people say... hint, hint.) and have not really done any sort of experimentation on your own.

    Hard to make an argument when all you are doing is repeating something someone else said. I can teach my bird to do that.

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  20. It looks like James is not interested in the detective job concerning the signature.
    Anyone else?

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  21. Thanks, Monkey. And Anonymous, I've performed my detective work here on this blog thingy. I'm satisfied with my results, and find further pursuit of the matter to be pointless, and a waste of time. There comes a point when the evidence does not support the conclusion, and we. Are. There.

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  22. I have presented evidence that the "unham Obama" is from a different source than the "Ann D" part of the signature.
    If people want to ignore that, then they are missing an opportunity to find out the truth.
    They are also missing out on an interesting detective job.

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  23. I do not find your "evidence" persuasive, and can think of no rational scenario where it would be necessary. There are much more "interesting" things to spend my time on.

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  24. James can think of no rational scenario where it would be necessary.
    But then he has not even acknowledged the obvious difference in the "Ann D" and the "unham Obama".
    Is there anyone willing to acknowledge the difference?
    Or will everyone pretend to not see it?

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  25. You will find, Anonymous, great resistance to your argument from other people, for a variety of reasons. Chief among them is your refusal to "count" what I had to say about the "Ann D" and the "unham Obama". I told you, I don't see anything suspicious. WHAT are you seeing there? That the pressure of the pen may have been different? So?

    Have you ever written out a card to your Mom for Mother's Day, anonymous? Have you ever been using a pen that skipped, or didn't print as clearly as you might have liked? Did you ever go over your first letter again to make it darker?

    If you have ever done anything like that, imagine a skeptic going over your card to your mother 50 years from now. "Why is the first letter different? It must be a fake!"

    That is precisely how I see your detective work. I don't know why the letters are (only slightly) different. I don't know why Barack Sr. decided to write "African" instead of "Negro." I quite simply don't care.

    You've provided no evidence or proof that this thing is counterfeit, only speculation.

    Or in clearer English: I do not see an meaningful difference, no I do not.

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  26. If the mom went over the letters again to make them heavier it would produce a result similar to the "Ann D". It would be a variety of subtle colors and be slightly "blurred" like the "Ann D". I am sure you know that.

    Also you are pretending that it is only the "D" that is different. I have already brought to your attention that the "Ann" is also like the "D".

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  27. I'm pretending no such thing. I said there is no meaningful difference. And there isn't. The Ns in "Ann" look like they come from the same hand as the M in "Dunham".

    You are STILL combing over a SCAN, not an original. You have not explained how this thing was allegedly "assembled" from different documents, when it exists as a verified document in the real, tangible world. Which makes sense in an odd way, because I think you are straying further from the real world all the time. . .

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  28. Perhaps you have not zoomed in on the letters.
    Zoom in and keep zooming in and you will see the clear difference between the "Ann D" and the "unham Obama".

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  29. It is not a meaningful difference. In other words, the difference there doesn't prove anything. It is very likely only an artifact of the scanning process, nothing more.

    If you had a logical storyline as to why this difference matters, why a forger would do something so random? Then, maybe detective work would be called for. As it stands, it is SO much more likely that the scanner/software did this, that it just doesn't merit such scrutiny.

    Aaaannnd, I've already given you WAY too much attention, because I suspect that were I able to derail your "D. . . .unham" train, you'd just move on to something else.

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  30. Since we've gone this far, Anonymous, I have one more thing to say. I opened the original scan in CorelDRAW. I seperated the layers. And I can say with 100% confidence that I know how to explain the difference in those letters that are vexing you so.

    The software separated--randomly--9 layers. One of those layers is the background layer, which is mostly green, with some white voids where the text has been separated. The "Ann D." did not get its own layer, it is still welded to the background.

    This is not suspicious. The software is not as smart as a human, and does not see everything. The pixels are different, because those letters were not cut out of the background, while the others were. Possibly because the signature started out a little bit lighter than it was finished. Any number of factors could have caused this.

    This is 100% resolved in my mind and is not in any way evidence of anything.

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  31. ANONYMOUS...
    You must be republican because you are trying to outsource your work. Do your own detective work. Buy a scanner, scan a document you've written on, take it into Adobe Illustrator & figure it out.
    Your posts are like a record with a scratch in it.
    "D"-"unham"-"D"-"unham"-"D"-"unham"....
    And try this too... think for yourself.
    Now, please, go back to the kiddie pool.

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  32. I see there are insults instead of facts and objectivity.
    That is what people do when they do not want to acknowledge the actual facts in front of them.
    Take a look at the signature zoomed in and zoomed in.
    The signature comes from two different sources.
    No point going on to other evidence until people acknowledge this simple fact. The signature has been tampered with.
    The interesting question is what were the original letters that were underneath the "unham Obama" section.

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  33. Anonymous, you get (or feel) insulted because you will not acknowledge facts presented to you. The "difference" you see is generated by the process of scanning to PDF, NOT--as you keep insisting--different sources. The difference is caused by the PDF software "punching out" SOME of the text, but not all of it. That is all. There IS no mystery here.

    You keep zooming, though.

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  34. ANONYMOUS...Your "evidence" gathered is based on what other biased people on the internet are telling you. It would seem the only detective work you've done is zoom in.

    On that note: What is your forensic background? What is your graphic arts background? Do you own Adobe Illustrator? Do you own a scanner? Do you know what OCR is? Do you know what anti-alias is?

    There is no validity to your point until you perform experiments yourself. You are basing your conclusions on a scanned image. YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT. You are looking at an interpretation of the document via hardware & software.

    You cannot come to any logical conclusion if you have not tried to see what happens for yourself.

    Our Dear Editor took it upon himself to try an experiment to see how a scanned image to PDF results. He was able to conclude that a scanned document does indeed include flaws & random layers as it is being interpreted in the CPU & thru the buffers.

    You have chosen, instead, to beat a dead horse that you have never even seen.

    And believe me... I have not even come close to insulting you.

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  35. Perhaps someone else will acknowledge the evidence. The folks so far are in denial.

    The interesting question is what were the original letters that were underneath the "unham Obama" section.

    And another (perhaps related) question is, why do we not see any record of Obama's adoption on the certificate?

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  36. Anonymous Perhaps you could answer the above questions before moving on to your other "evidence". Since you have chosen to ignore my valid questions, I can only assume that you have no graphics or forensics background.

    Again you are like a broken record...

    So, go get a scanner, Adobe, the original birth certificate & go to town... The world awaits your sleuthhound evidence & conclusion.

    Until then, around here, your point is moot.

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  37. Anonymous, you're like talking to a damned stump. Why do you keep insisting there must be something underneath? But at least you're consistent with your birther bretheren: when your original argument starts running out of steam, you're off to something else: Adoption!

    You're hopeless.

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  38. I wonder if anyone can see the connection between the signature tampering and the adoption.
    The folks so far are not particularly interested in acknowledging the evidence and seeing where it leads.
    Which is sort of a shame because it really is an interesting detective job.

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  39. Well, Dear Editor, it looks like we have a deaf, dumb & blind kid on our hands... Damn, I sold my pinball machine.

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  40. Well, if they keep focused like a laser on the minutiae of every element of Barack Obama's nativity story, maybe they'll stay out of important things. It keeps 'em busy, I guess.

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  41. Tampering with a signature is not minutiae.

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  42. You have not proved tampering, and have ignored everything I've said about this scan of a certified document. Sifting through the pixels of a digitized image IS minutiae.

    WE. ARE. DONE.

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  43. James wants to move quickly off this topic.
    He posted the opening article but now that signature tampering has come to light he wants to cut off the discussion.

    Here is a significant question.
    Is it even possible to obtain the different "unham Obama" text in the same scan as the "Ann D" text.
    Is there any setting of optimization and OCR that can produce that?

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  44. Oh, aren't you a shit head? "Quickly move off the topic?" Seriously? You've added nothing to the topic after your first post, and have ignored my refutations. This is comment #45! "Quickly." Bite me. I trust that anyone reading this comments section can see through what you're doing here.

    Yes, I've already produced something very much like what you're talking about. Remnants of the lines and lettering from MY OWN document are on the wrong layers, EXACTLY like some of the letters on BO's birth certificate are on the wrong layers. THERE IS NO MYSTERY HERE.

    Now, step off. We're done.

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  45. My question is:
    Is it even possible to obtain the different "unham Obama" text in the same scan as the "Ann D" text.
    Is there any setting of optimization and OCR that can produce that?

    Swearing and insults does not change that question.

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  46. ANONYMOUS You need to provide something to back up your claims... You are recycling information & obviously are not a professional in the graphics or forensics field.

    To try to shift your inadequacies to saying the Editor wants to move off topic is asinine.

    And the reality is you are the one that is totally ignoring our points... We are actually speaking from real experience. You just keep going back to the broken record routine. And you have yet to answer a single question.

    The obvious reason to no longer discuss this with you is you are not adding anything to the conversation... you are just regurgitating. You're playing with graphics you don't understand & you're utilizing a scanned digital file of a real tangible document. Until you have that document in your hand, a scanner & even the slightest understanding of graphics programs you are making pointless discoveries by using your zoom feature. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK A SIGNIFICANT QUESTION WITH THE ROUTINE & "TOOLS" YOU ARE UTILIZING.

    A detective you are not... a waste of time, you certainly are.

    Enjoy your life thru the lenses of others... Or should I say thru the Magnifying Glasses of others... Sherlock.

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  47. The "unham Obama" text is totally different than the "Ann D" text.
    An ordinary signature could not be scanned to produce those two text types.
    Notice that a hand-drawn signature produces a text type like the "Ann D" text. Multi-colored and "blurry".
    Please provide any hand-drawn text that produces a text type like the "Unham Obama".

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  48. This video covers this point.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii9WKrI1LeI

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  49. ANONYMOUS You're ignorance has left you in this sandbox alone now...

    In other words, you are now regurgitating all over yourself.

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  50. Insults is a poor substitute for dealing with the issue.
    A hand-drawn signature produces a text type like the "Ann D" text. Multi-colored and "blurry".
    Please provide any hand-drawn text that produces a text type like the "unham Obama".

    You guys are professing to be quite expert. Show us the goods.

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  51. The hand-drawn signature is multi-colored and blurry because the software did not separate it from the colored background. The hard-edged part of the signature that looks different to you DID get separated from the background. There is your explanation. That you refuse it is your problem. Others reading this will hopefully understand.

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  52. Anonymous you say that the hard-edged part (the "unham Obama") looks different TO ME.
    Does it not look different to you?
    I am just wondering why you said that it looks different TO ME.
    It is clearly different - agreed?

    Can we agree on that point first?

    Then we can look at how the scanning process produced it.

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  53. Well Anonymous may or may not acknowledge that the hard-edged part ("unham Obama") is clearly different than the first letters ("Ann D").
    It is obviously different.

    The scan set the hard-edged part up separately from the "Ann D" part. There is no argument about that.

    The issue is what I asked about before:
    "Notice that a hand-drawn signature produces a text type like the "Ann D" text. Multi-colored and "blurry".
    Please provide any hand-drawn text that produces a text type like the "Unham Obama".

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  54. This subject is discussed here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY
    See 4:30 minute mark.

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  55. I thought I was done playing with you Anonymous--whoever you are--BUT then I realized, the proof you're asking for has been in front of your eyes all along. The file I separated myself? It has rule lines that separated out into hard-edged image. But looky there, part of the line got left behind on the background. It is feathered, and blends into the background. Which is EXACTLY what the signature did.

    You are barking up a dead tree, and there is no cat in it. And while I am completely aware that this will not make you stop barking, this is not for you, but for anyone else who happens by.

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  56. Also more info on this at
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW_PWzhgvDs

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  57. I have said:
    "Notice that a hand-drawn signature produces a text type like the "Ann D" text. Multi-colored and "blurry".
    Please provide any hand-drawn text that produces a text type like the "Unham Obama".

    If the folks here are as knowledgeable about this as they suggest then just provide the hand-drawn text that produces a text type like the "Unham Obama".

    Should be simple.

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  58. Ridiculous. I'm satisfied. There is zero to your challenge. You wouldn't be any more satisfied with that result than with this one. You continue living in your alternate universe, and leave me alone. M'mmkay?

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  59. Funny, that someone can be satisfied with what is likely a forgery. And particularly odd when they cannot show an example of any possible signature that would produce the result we see in the mom's signature.

    We can see that people like James do not really want to know if this is a forgery. They just want to accept whatever the Whitehouse story is.

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  60. Anonymous is projecting. I've shown my work and proven myself. I refuse to jump through hoops for a hardcore conspiracy nut who would not consider my efforts worthy in any event. It would just be another pointless quest after that. But Anonymous has proven that when provoked, I will argue with an idiot.

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  61. It looks like James is not able to create any signature that would produce the result we see in the mom's signature.
    Consequently he is trying to dodge the issue.

    But really it should be simple.
    Just show us an example of any possible signature that would produce the result we see in the mom's signature.

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  62. It looks like I will not be getting any example here of a signature that could produce the result we see in the mom's signature.

    Here is a separate question

    Is the following true:
    A “certificate of live birth” can have names changed on it including a child’s birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a “certificate of live birth”. This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are.

    Does anyone know if this is true?

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  63. The point is proven. You lose. Even if I had access to my equipment this weekend, I have no desire to keep you happy. You are delusional.

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  64. So here is a question for anyone viewing this.
    What would the Certificate of Live Birth look like if Obama's adoption had been registered with Hawaii? What would the Certificate of Live Birth have looked like? (Please note that I am not talking about the "Birth Certificate").
    Would the Certificate of Live Birth have shown the "Soetoro" name anywhere on the Certificate of Live Birth?

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  65. 1 I would have preferred a scan of the document as a jpg or some other picture format. Sans the safety paper.

    I did not catch anyone mention the registrars seal on the document (which I have seen in other scans)
    or
    3 The ignorance of the doctor on one hand and not the other. One might well assume the doctor is knowledgable (caucasian) and ignorant (african).

    4 Where did the hand written annotion appear from?

    I've seen the previously released and acknowledged FAKE Certs where it also appears.

    Were they both copied/composited into this document?

    MOST of the other nit picking here is no more than that. Distracting and irrelevant.

    What DOES seem to be relevant is the apparent EASE with which the document appeared after an extended time of non compliance.

    And the apparent lack of the Soetoro update??

    There are so many questions which this document raises that it is obvious to all this is not the final chapter of this graphic novel.

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  66. "There are so many questions which this document raises that it is obvious to all this is not the final chapter of this graphic novel."

    Utter bullshit. This is the fever-dream of the seriously deluded. This is beyond the looking glass, seriously demented conspiracy nut territory. There is NOTHING about this scan that can't be explained by the technology and software used.

    The examination of this digital document will never prove anything, and the demand to forensically examine the physical document is paranoid and beyond the scope of reason. The document has been verified by the proper authorities multiple times. The only explanation for any fraud would be a conspiracy that spans many, many people in the federal and Hawaii state governments. There is NO credible evidence that points to Barack Obama being born anywhere other than Hawaii. So this is all a very protracted, very pointless snipe hunt.

    The birthers are almost universally laughed at, and there is a reason for that. You have ceased to even be a curiosity. You are a joke now. Your dream of getting President Obama eliminated by a freaking technicality is OVER. Give up. Move on to something more substantial.

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  67. I just want to comment than on into 2012, the birthers are STILL at it, insisting this document is a fake. Here, in the comments section, is the current argument: http://greenleegazette.blogspot.com/2011/12/is-rick-santorum-elligible-to-be.html?showComment=1326040953278#c8509505870672761542

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