He may have lost his re-election bid, but I'm glad Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla) has still got the chutzpah to get on the floor of the House and stand up for the little guy. In a highly entertaining way, I might add.
Conversely, Sofa, do you then side with the uber-rich and the corporations? I'd rather be on the side of the little guy (which is most of us), even at the risk of being declared a "communist" by cyber-commandos like yourself.
The communist dialectic pits the little man against the rich man, and offers collective strength by giving up individual rights. Class warfare is a crutch that leaves the user crippled and blind.
Americans, on the other hand, are rugged individualists empowered to stop injustice from individuals, from tyrannical governments, and from corporations.
I stand for Liberty, Natural rights, and Justice.
Without God, collectivists have no philosophical foundation for justice. As collectivists deny God, their 'bottom line' descends onto brute force.
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Summary- I don't see classes, and I deny that they exist, except in the minds of collectivists and envious incompetents. I am sure that collectivists exist, and sure that they are incompatible with my civilization (killing 120 million+ in the 20th century, for example).
I am for Liberty, and vigorously against tyranny (including tyranny by collectivism) and enablers of tyranny. .
I am for liberty and justice too, and will have to cop to not really knowing what you mean by "natural rights." I categorically reject the notion that "God" is required for anything, or for any definition of what a good person is, or what a good American is.
To me, any sentence with "God" in it is about as useful as one with "Superman" or "The Great Pumpkin." One of my liberties and freedoms is the right to NOT believe in God. And I don't.
If I'm correct, those who profess to believe in natural rights consider them to be rights individuals have that are gifts from God or nature. Rights that can't be meddled with by other individuals or groups of individuals, i.e., government.
Nice pleasant concept, but completely unrealistic. If you're foolish enough to believe in anything that requires a Deity to make it happen. Then get ready for some serious disappointment, cause it ain't gonna happen.
I agree with you, GNOP. Regardless of whether or not there IS a deity, a person who allegedly holds the Constitution in such high esteem shouldn't probably be including "natural rights" (if they are supposedly "god given") with liberty and justice. "Natural rights" in that context would be un-constitutional! After all, WHOSE god gets to define them?
I actually think that America was founded by a lot of free thinkers and deists. Our rights are innumerated in the Constitution, which does not arise from any religion.
I do not reject Liberty or Justice, I just think that for many those are slogans more than priciples.
He parrots the communist dialectic well.
ReplyDeleteConversely, Sofa, do you then side with the uber-rich and the corporations? I'd rather be on the side of the little guy (which is most of us), even at the risk of being declared a "communist" by cyber-commandos like yourself.
ReplyDeleteThe communist dialectic pits the little man against the rich man, and offers collective strength by giving up individual rights.
ReplyDeleteClass warfare is a crutch that leaves the user crippled and blind.
Americans, on the other hand, are rugged individualists empowered to stop injustice from individuals, from tyrannical governments, and from corporations.
I stand for Liberty, Natural rights, and Justice.
Without God, collectivists have no philosophical foundation for justice.
As collectivists deny God, their 'bottom line' descends onto brute force.
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Summary- I don't see classes, and I deny that they exist, except in the minds of collectivists and envious incompetents. I am sure that collectivists exist, and sure that they are incompatible with my civilization (killing 120 million+ in the 20th century, for example).
I am for Liberty, and vigorously against tyranny (including tyranny by collectivism) and enablers of tyranny.
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I am for liberty and justice too, and will have to cop to not really knowing what you mean by "natural rights." I categorically reject the notion that "God" is required for anything, or for any definition of what a good person is, or what a good American is.
ReplyDeleteTo me, any sentence with "God" in it is about as useful as one with "Superman" or "The Great Pumpkin." One of my liberties and freedoms is the right to NOT believe in God. And I don't.
If I'm correct, those who profess to believe in natural rights consider them to be rights individuals have that are gifts from God or nature. Rights that can't be meddled with by other individuals or groups of individuals, i.e., government.
ReplyDeleteNice pleasant concept, but completely unrealistic. If you're foolish enough to believe in anything that requires a Deity to make it happen. Then get ready for some serious disappointment, cause it ain't gonna happen.
I agree with you, GNOP. Regardless of whether or not there IS a deity, a person who allegedly holds the Constitution in such high esteem shouldn't probably be including "natural rights" (if they are supposedly "god given") with liberty and justice. "Natural rights" in that context would be un-constitutional! After all, WHOSE god gets to define them?
ReplyDeleteWere the two of you born in Kenya?
ReplyDelete"Natural Rights" are the foundational principle of the idea that was America.
Point being you were never taught the tenents of being an American. So pick up a book and read now, it's not too late.
If you reject that Liberty and Justice are "natural rights", then from whence do rights come?
Without a creator, then your religion leaves you with... what..?
Rights from the barrel of a gun?
Rights as favors from a king-god?
America was created as a rejection to the very ideas you are espousing.
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I actually think that America was founded by a lot of free thinkers and deists. Our rights are innumerated in the Constitution, which does not arise from any religion.
ReplyDeleteI do not reject Liberty or Justice, I just think that for many those are slogans more than priciples.