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Cher on Chaz, Sonny, and Staying in the Spotlight
. . .Cher on Sarah Palin and Jan Brewer:
“I got so obsessed with [C-SPAN] that it was kind of interfering with my life. Sarah Palin came on, and I thought, Oh, f**k, this is the end. Because a dumb woman is a dumb woman.” On the subject of Arizona governor Jan Brewer, Cher says, “She was worse than Sarah Palin, if that is possible. This woman was like a deer in headlights. She’s got a handle on the services of the state, and I would not let her handle the remote control. . .”
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If I were Cher, I'd be carefull of calling someone dumb.
ReplyDeleteTo get where Cher is, she had to be smart. To get where Sarah Palin is in her life means she is pretty smart also.
You make not like her politics but she is not dumb.
You may be right, Dan. "Dumb" is sort of an inadequate word for Palin. She sort of defies classification. I don't know her IQ, this much is true. And she definitely has both business savvy and a way of keeping herself relevant against all odds. Kinda like CHER, but without the singing, dancing and acting.
ReplyDeleteFor me, her rambling style of speaking, her incredibly irritating voice register, and her omnipresence despite being basically unemployed just chafes my ass, I guess! She's also thin-skinned, vindictive and mean. Probably not a Mensa member, but you're correct, "dumb" is not the right word. She may need her very own word.
You're right about me not liking her politics. But I can't see how anyone does. It's kind of weird, because usually, even if a public figure rubs me raw, I can see what others see in them. I have a Palin blind spot though, because I just. Don't. Get it.
I have to agree that Palin can't be described as being dumb. But, the same thing can't be said for the people she's making a bundle off of.
ReplyDeleteI understand James. The thing that Palin is she is a strong conservative woman, and liberals don't like that. Just like liberals don't like strong conservative blacks or Hispanics.
ReplyDeleteAs far her making money off of people, pee party, she may be like Al Gore- he has made millions off of people who buy into his scare tatics. Same with Palin.
Believe it or not, Dan, it isn't her gender, or her conservatism--strong or otherwise--that turns me off. It's mostly the Mars Attacks voice, and the fact that she's given a spotlight thousands of watts stronger than she has any right to as a half-term governor. And the aw-shucks faux folksiness. . .well, I could go on, but you get the picture.
ReplyDeleteFixating on media personalities helps avoid substantive issues.
ReplyDeleteIs that the secret to being progressive: Avoid facts and reasoning; rather, fixate on personalities.
It's right up there in my header, Sofa: "A deliberate mix of politics, news, soapbox, confessional, and pure frivolity." This is not a pure politics blog. There are plenty of places online for you, if that is your particular jones.
ReplyDeleteI kinda dig facts, and consider myself reasonable. If you don't. . .well, I really don't care.
Invariably, whenever I question some Palin-hater about the reason for their strong feelings about her, I get back a litany of "facts" that are all untrue.
ReplyDeleteWhere do these people learn their "facts"? From the _B_'s - the three big media companies - who have taken to heart the lesson that a lie repeated often enough becomes solidified in less-discerning minds as a new truth.
And it does no good to explain this to the haters. Even once they've listened and then looked at the sources and docs - even if they finally do accept the truth of what I'm telling them ("no, that was Tina Fey who said that; no, she never tried to ban any such thing; no, she doesn't believe that . . .") - then they're finally just left with a disgusted "but she just sucks!" with no rational basis that they can proffer.
I still think she inflames hard-core liberals because she's a putative societal second-class victim who fails to accept their pity and their patronization, and who in fact gets in their faces about how they are the ones actually keeping various groups of people corralled to suit their political purposes.
And they just hate that, I think.
Bobby, I gave my reasons. She grates. Hard. Her politics are not mine, but they are not at the core of what I dislike about her. Of course there is her mean streak, which I forgot to mention. Also.
ReplyDeleteI guess I just don't get the "grates" thing. I'm sort of half-Minnesotan-half-Canadian and so the whole Alaska-accent bit flows right around and past me but I've been told that it sounds trailerish to others - maybe that's it.
ReplyDeleteAnd I think the mean streak is just plain hot, y'know?
Ha! Bobby, I appreciate your humor. But I hope you know that we anti-Palin people aren't automatically mysogenistic (sp?), or knee-jerk anti-conservative. Some people (Palin!) can have abrasive personalities that we just don't cotton to. Boy howdy. Some liberals here in Nevada had the same reaction to Dina Titus for her accent alone. I for one was thinking Titus should have had a vocal coach to mitigate that.
ReplyDeleteHillary Clinton has that tonal problem too, with the flat-A thing. Might be part of the reason I caucused for Obama. But it has no anti-woman element for me. There have been times I've voted for the woman in the race if I didn't have an opinion, right down the line.
Bobby, if the media has "taken to heart the lesson that a lie repeated often enough becomes solidified in less-discerning minds as a new truth." Then it's a tactic that's not unique to just one side of the political spectrum.
ReplyDeleteAfter all, according to some, we did just elect a Manchurian Candidate type person president. Someone who is a Kenyan born, Muslim, socialist/Marxist, death panel promoter who took his oath of office on a Koran.
GNOP, my favorite is that Obama was criticized for sitting in a "radical black theology" church for twenty years by the SAME people who claim he's a Muslim! And all of these negative, sometimes contradictory things were being said wayyyy to soon in his presidency for them to be rational, reasoned opinions (as if they could be). People that don't like the president are just so eager to attach any "bad" thing they can think of to him, they don't stop to think if it makes sense.
ReplyDeleteJames, my guess is that many of these people have deluded themselves into believing they live in a nation populated entirely by just two types of people. Good Patriotic Christians like themselves and Evil Godless liberals like the rest of us. And in defense of this imaginary place, saying whatever they want, true or not is perfectly okay. You know, the old "all's fair in love and war" game plan.
ReplyDeleteGNOP and James seem to be projecting their fears...
ReplyDeleteThey, They, they, they...
They lives inside your heads, rent-free.
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"And it does no good to explain this to the haters. Even once they've listened and then looked at the sources and docs - even if they finally do accept the truth of what I'm telling them ("no, that was Tina Fey who said that; no, she never tried to ban any such thing; no, she doesn't believe that . . .") - then they're finally just left with a disgusted "but she just sucks!" with no rational basis that they can proffer." -bobby
ReplyDeleteHaters don't need to be rational.
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Sofa, your responses make sense to me about half the time. What are you getting at? I gave my reasons for disliking Palin (and liking Cher). Where am I "projecting my fears?" You REALLY like to assume what is goin on in other people's heads, doncha?
ReplyDelete"They, They, they, they...
They lives inside your heads, rent-free." What the hell are you talking about? You don't use the pronoun "they" when you rant and rave about socialists and communists? You get FAR deeper into the weeds than I do Sofa, and get WAY more bent out of shape than me too. Shine that projector back on yourself dude.